tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post8571850815151321379..comments2023-07-05T03:20:00.903-07:00Comments on peace within chaos: abortion, religion, and empireskybluestarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07851930698419783787noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-15550533310165128342009-02-11T00:41:00.000-08:002009-02-11T00:41:00.000-08:00Jay, I believe that a woman who has chosen an abor...Jay, I believe that a woman who has chosen an abortion or is considering an abortion needs my compassion. Therefore I do not vote for a politician who wants to put that woman and her doctor in jail (i.e. Mcain and Palin). You do not hold the magical combination of words that will change that. I'm just as committed to my stance as you are to yours. You planning on changing your beliefs any time soon?<BR/><BR/>I'm done talking about this. As I said, I'll give you a chance if you stop shoving politics down my throat. Until then I'll settle for the annual Christmas letter.Caitlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619771586106770181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-82724158690384274312009-01-30T19:25:00.000-08:002009-01-30T19:25:00.000-08:00Caitlin, you just won't give me a chance. Feel fre...Caitlin, you just won't give me a chance. Feel free to email me if that's changed. drjayboyd@msn.comJayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-5282286085342960182009-01-30T13:51:00.000-08:002009-01-30T13:51:00.000-08:00Jay, I'm mad at you because you appeared on my blo...Jay, I'm mad at you because you appeared on my blog unannounced and under a pseudonym after years of silence and started telling me that my beliefs and opinions are wrong. <BR/><BR/>If you want to be my aunt without telling me what I should believe and how I should vote you are more than welcome. Until then, I've done fine without you for quite some time.Caitlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619771586106770181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-74385476103122404122009-01-26T13:13:00.000-08:002009-01-26T13:13:00.000-08:00Caitlin: You said, "The process you propose is con...Caitlin: You said, "The process you propose is condemnation at its most basic." What "process" did I propose? Condemnation?! Explain yourself, please!<BR/><BR/>You said, "a woman who keeps her child despite her inability to care for it is regarded as criminally irresponsible, a woman who puts her child into the sysetem is immaternal and her child often becomes a second-class citizen in the eyes of their peers. There is nowhere in our culture for that woman or her child to take refuge."<BR/><BR/>Hogwash. There are people and agencies who seek to help women in this situation. If she is viewed as a "second-class citizen", well, at least she's alive! The unborn baby does not have that right, apparently. I've "been there, done that" in terms of being a single mom on welfare. Yeah, it's not pretty. Neither is murdering your own child. And the latter does a heck of a lot more psychological harm to the mom than the former.<BR/><BR/>"Outlawing abortion will not reduce the number of abortions." <BR/><BR/>Hogwash again. By that logic, we might as well legalize all acts currently deemed criminal. Outlawing abortion will reduce it, as there will be less money involved for Planned Parenthood et al. But more importantly, there is a need for people to understand WHY abortion is wrong, and to choose on their own not to resort to this barbaric practice.<BR/><BR/>"Continuing your war path of guilt-mongering rhetoric and single issue voting will not reduce the number of abortions, it will only alienate your target audience (family included)." <BR/><BR/>Geez. C'mon. Talk about "guilt-mongering rhetoric"!!! I'm not sure that people unwilling to consider the illogic of their own position are my "target audience". If my family fits that bill, so be it. I pray for all of you daily, regardless of your political views and/or moral sensibilities. <BR/><BR/>I think you, Caitlin, closed your mind to anything I have to say on any subject some years ago, based on others' expressed opinions of me. If that's not true, feel free to open a dialogue with me via email.<BR/><BR/>"We can only reduce the abortion rate by changing the way our culture views and values women." <BR/><BR/>Certainly that would help. But we can also reduce the abortion rate by changing the way our culture views personhood, the human embryonic person, and personal responsibility.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-43414190001373910342009-01-26T11:05:00.000-08:002009-01-26T11:05:00.000-08:00Jay Said: "Abortion is arguably the most egregious...Jay Said: "Abortion is arguably the most egregious way we have for killing one another, because it is the intentional killing of the most innocent and defenseless members of the human family.<BR/>This fact is not dependent on religious belief" <BR/><BR/>I agree with you that people of all religious and secular affiliations can aggree on the basic desire to reduce the number of abortions across the country. However, the issue I take here is your rhetoric, and the process you propose. The way that you discuss abortion, Jay, has a very condemning tone. The process you propose is condemnation at its most basic. <BR/><BR/>abortion is driven by a culture that does not allow an unwed pregnant woman the basic human right of dignity. a woman who keeps her child despite her inability to care for it is regarded as criminally irresponsible, a woman who puts her child into the sysetem is immaternal and her child often becomes a second-class citizen in the eyes of their peers. There is nowhere in our culture for that woman or her child to take refuge. <BR/><BR/>Outlawing abortion will not reduce the number of abortions. Continuing your war path of guilt-mongering rhetoric and single issue voting will not reduce the number of abortions, it will only alienate your target audience (family included). We can only reduce the abortion rate by changing the way our culture views and values women.Caitlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619771586106770181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-77741497805894837592009-01-18T07:39:00.000-08:002009-01-18T07:39:00.000-08:00Ted said: "Abortion is the least of the ways we ha...Ted said: "Abortion is the least of the ways we have for killing one another."<BR/>Abortion is arguably the most egregious way we have for killing one another, because it is the intentional killing of the most innocent and defenseless members of the human family.<BR/>This fact is not dependent on religious belief or belief in a "hereafter that doesn't exist".Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-25847939782184171162009-01-18T01:29:00.000-08:002009-01-18T01:29:00.000-08:00OK. I guess I figured out how to make a comment. ...OK. I guess I figured out how to make a comment. So forget the e-mail. I feel the needd to stop lurking on your blog and respond.<BR/><BR/>Sky: I admire your search for Utopia, but I take a more pessimistic view of our fate. Thru evolution mankind acquired consciousness. This has been our glory, but it will probably be our doom as well. Consciousness only went so far, and it allowed us to be aware of things like time and space, but it doesn't allow us to comprehend them fully. You know, where does it all begin and end. To fill in the gaps we have created religions and other irrational systems to provide the answers. These have served, in some cases, as organizing principles on a small scale. But on a global scale it has led to exploitation and even enslavement of, many groups for the benefit of the few. If we are going to survive on this planet, and we have the capacity to do so, we need to put aside petty ideologies and use the ability we have to make use of Earth's resources for the benefit of all. Abortion is the least of the ways we have for killing one another. If we are going to save ourselves we must stop worring a hereafter which doesn't exist and work for the good of all of us. I commend you for trying to find ways to make it happen. As I said, I am a pessimist, and I think we are on a downward slide. In the long run, that's ok too. Once we're out of the picture, and if we haven't blown the place up maybe something more rational will evolve.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193892787636987665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-60495165311298303892009-01-18T00:52:00.000-08:002009-01-18T00:52:00.000-08:00Look for an email from me soon.Look for an email from me soon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193892787636987665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7200370471886199404.post-22086582160682637092009-01-15T20:07:00.000-08:002009-01-15T20:07:00.000-08:00"...the question of abortion for most people will ..."...the question of abortion for most people will become moot in the face of far more pressing issues of basic survival." Huh?!You've got it backwards: The question of abortion IS an issue of basic survival. It is THE issue of basic survival. The other issues are moot if you're not given the chance for life!Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.com